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Tir McDohl

S1 Tir Portrait
Tir McDohl

My father goes his way. I'll go mine.

Tir McDohl is a young man who serves as the Tenkai Star and main protagonist of the original Suikoden. He is the son of Teo McDohl and was the leader of the Toran Liberation Army after the death of the original leader, Odessa Silverberg. After the Toran Liberation Army defeated the Scarlet Moon Empire, McDohl left without taking a position of leadership within the newly formed Toran Republic. He has been traveling with his servant, Gremio. He is a powerful attacker, as well as a fair magic user. Tir also appears in Suikoden II, and was briefly involved with the Dunan Unification War.

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AppearanceEdit

Tir appears to have a short black hair (brown in his portrait icon in Suikoden II) with a green bandanna on his head with violet and green ends. He wears a red sleeveless Chinese manchurian style qipao over a white shirt, a matching tan pants and gloves and has shins on his ankle as he wears a black Chinese toe shoes.

In Suikoden II, although three years have passed, Tir's appearance remained unchanged as commented by many characters in the game. This is because he bears a True Rune.

PersonalityEdit

Tir appears as a calm and serious person and mostly quiet as the silent protagonist. Tir is calm and serious as the leader of the Republican Army against Emperor Barbarossa. He prefers not to speak about the pain he feels inside and only the ones close to him could understand. Tir is concerned with the well being of those around him. Being the bearer of the Soul Eater rune, he did not want anyone to meet the same fate as Odessa Silverberg, Teo McDohl, Ted and nearly, Gremio who lost their lives because of the rune. So he chose to wander with Gremio avoiding any contact with people most especially the members of the Liberation Army for their sake.

He befriends Riou, the hero from Suikoden II after Ko distracts Gremio to meet him in Banner Village and during the battle against the monster butterfly, he aids him using their final spell of their true runes together to annihilate the beast. He shares with Riou with their roles as the silent protagonists.

SuikodenEdit

He is the son of Teo McDohl, and finally entering the ranks of the Royal Guard in the Scarlet Moon Empire. Tir began his military career under the command of the corrupt Commander Kraze. Accompanied by his guardians: Gremio, Pahn, and Cleo; as well as his best friend Ted. Tir is first tasked with travelling to the Magician's Island and receiving the astrological predictions from the Seer Leknaat. Leknaat senses a heavy destiny is about to come upon Tir and tells him words of comfort.

On his second mission, Tir and his entourage are joined by the selfish Kanaan, and is tasked with going to Rockland to speak with its magistrate Grady and discover why the taxes haven't been paid in a timely manner. Tir discovers Rockland to be a poor, downtrodden village. Grady convinces the group that the Seifu Bandits, led by Varkas, had stolen the tax money and asked the group to capture them. On their journey through Mt. Seifu, the party is attacked by a powerful monster that they can't overcome. Ted reveals that he bears a powerful rune and smites the beast, which Kanaan finds suspicious. Finally reaching the Bandits, Varkas claims that Grady has been stealing the money for himself, but the party still defeats him and captures the bandits, and then turns them over to Grady. When they return to Gregminster, Kanaan reports to Kraze about Ted, and he's asked to stay behind while the party leaves. Later, Ted returns with a terrible magical wound, and Tir and the others discover that Ted is being pursued by the Court Magician Windy for his True Rune Soul Eater. Desperate to keep it out of harm's way, Ted passes the rune onto Tir. The Imperial Guard comes to retrieve Ted, thanks to Pahn's betrayal, and Tir and his companions are forced to flee the McDohl manor, and hide in Marie's Inn.

Trying to escape from the city without being noticed, the party attracts the attention of Viktor, who helps them escape from the capital and took them to meet Odessa Silverberg, the leader of the Liberation Army, in Lenankamp. Torn between joining the Liberation Movement and simply hiding out, hoping to return to the Empire someday, Tir decides to help the Liberation Movement right some of his past mistakes by rescuing Varkas and Sydonia from Grady in Rockland. Odessa takes a liking to Tir and asks him to accompany her to Sarady to deliver the plans for the Fire Spears. Odessa opens up to Tir about her fears and struggles during the journey. When they return to the hideout in Lenankamp, the place is attacked by the Imperial Army. Odessa is mortally wounded in the struggle and asks Tir to deliver her earring to a man named Mathiu, and to dispose of her body. Fulfilling her wishes, Tir meets with Odessa's brother Mathiu and convinces him to help the Liberation Movement, with Tir becoming the new leader. Setting up base in the abandoned naval base of Lake Toran Castle, Tir begins to unite the various rebel factions and lead victories over the the Five Great Generals, whom reveal that Windy is the true culprit behind the throne.

During the war, Tir loses his longtime friend and guardian, Gremio, who sacrifices himself to save Tir and his men from Milich Oppenheimer's Death Spores. He eventually is forced to face his father Teo McDohl in open combat, and kills him in a duel. His father is proud of his son's accomplishments and blesses his choice before he dies, and his soul is consumed by the Soul Eater. When traveling to get the Zodiac Sword to defeat Neclord. Tir and his companions are thrown into the past, where they bear witness to the destruction of Ted's hometown of the Village of the Hidden Rune by Windy, Neclord, and Yuber. Unable to help the young Ted, who had become the new bearer of the Soul Eater, they encourage him and return to the present time. At Seek Valley, Tir is confronted by Windy, who has brought a brainwashed Ted to retrieve the Soul Eater from him. Fighting against the Conqueror Rune, Ted instead orders the Soul Eater, which still recognizes him as his master, to devour his own soul. Windy is forced to retreat with her plan thwarted.

Finally, after defeating and recruiting Sonya Shulen, Tir is able to attack the Imperial capital. His army scout's reveal that Windy had summoned a horde of monsters to back up the Imperial Army. Tir attempts to use the Soul Eater to destroy the army but is stopped by Leknaat, who combines her Back Gate Rune with Joshua's Dragon Rune to send the monsters back to the World of Emptiness. The Liberation Army attacks Gregminster and Tir faces off with the Golden Emperor Barbarosa, who uses his Sovereign Rune to transform into a powerful Golden Hydra. With Barbarosa defeated, Windy tries one more time to take the Soul Eater from Tir, but is stopped by the souls of those whom the rune had consumed. Barbarosa reveals his feelings to Windy and then jumps off his balcony, with her in his arms, to their presumed deaths. The palace begins to collapse, and Tir and the others escape, with Viktor and Flik staying behind to cover Tir's escape. With the empire toppled, the Toran Republic is established with Tir expected to become it's first president. Instead, he declined the throne and left the nation along with Gremio.

Post-Gate Rune Wars/Dunan Unification War Edit

After the Toran Liberation Army defeated the Scarlet Moon Empire, McDohl left without taking a position of leadership within the newly formed Toran Republic. He has been traveling with his servant, Gremio. He is found by Riou in the small fishing village of Banner. Wishing to meet him, Riou is talked into an elaborate scenario by the young child Ko, who pretends to be captured by bandits to get the attention of Tir's guardian. Unfortunately, Ko really gets captured by bandits and Riou and Tir join forces to rescue him. Their reputation has the bandits easily scared, but they reveal that a monster attacked them shortly after capturing Ko and fled. Riou and Tir battle the monster butterfly and, just as things seemed hopeless, their True Runes combined and easily destroyed the monster. Ko is badly poisoned, and Tir suggests they take him to the Toran Republic to be treated by the master physician Liukan. Tir's return to the Toran Republic is met with great fanfare, but he refuses Lepant's offer of the presidency. After Ko's recovery, Tir decided to stay behind in Gregminster, but will join Riou when asked. Following the Dunan Unification War and the formation of the Dunan Republic, it is assumed that Tir, along with Gremio, continued their journey.

Role in the GameEdit

Because of his status as the Hero of Suikoden, Tir is technically the first character to "join" your party at the very beginning of the game. Tir cannot be removed from the party.

As Tir is a required member of the party at all times, it helps that he's a well balanced character, with above average stats. His attack rating raises well and he gains a moderate magician's power in rune spells. His Unite Attack with Kai is very good against dealing with large forces, and his Soul Eater Rune is excellent due to it's powerful instant death magic and incredible offensive spells.

Tir uses a Bo Staff.

Weapon Growth
Name Wolf Fang Staff Dragon Fang Staff Heaven Fang Staff
Level 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
Strength 5 7 9 12 20 25 32 39 47 57 68 91 103 117 136 158

Tir has the Soul Eater permanently attached.

Character Statistics
HP 842
*MP
LVL 1 9
LVL 2 8
LVL 3 5
LVL 4 3
LVL 99 ATK
EX 999 DEF
STR 188 PDF 168
SKL 220 MDF
MAG 178 SPD 215
EVA LUC 178

Equipment
Starting Equipment Recommended Equipment
Head Bandana Silver Hat
Body Tunic Master Garb
Hand Gloves Power Glove
Foot Boots Earth Boots
Other
Medicine x6 Sacrificial Buddha
Mega Medicine x3
Crimson Cape

Tir has a Master Pupil Attack with his master, Kai. This hits all enemies with 2x attack.

Commander's Team
S1 Tir PortraitGremioS1 Pahn Portrait

  • Type: Charge
  • Power:26

"Everybody! Lets Go!"

"Everybody... it's up to you." *
* Present in the game's coding, but not used.

Location: Banner Village & Gregminster
After the defeat of Luca Blight, Tir can be seen in Banner Village. In order for Tir to be available, a save data from Suikoden with (or without) all 108 stars recruited and alive, saved after the Gregminster army battle, has to be loaded on a new game. Complete the quest and he will be available to join the party in his house in Gregminster. He will not appear in the member select screen, a trip to Gregminster needs to be taken each time in order to add him to the party.

After the war, he was seen in Suikogaiden II talking with Kasumi before he traveled again with Gremio. Like Riou, Jowy, and Nanami, their current whereabouts are unknown.

Tir McDohl is a well balanced fighter and mage, and his Soul Eater rune is well worth the trip to Gregminster to recruit him for missions. His stats allow him to be used for either as a powerful mage or a strong fighter, his flexibility makes him a great asset and his stats are comparable to Riou.

McDohl retains his Fang Staff.

Weapon Growth
Name Wolf Fang Staff Dragon Fang Staff Heavenly Fang Staff
Level 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
Strength 5 6 8 11 14 17 33 40 47 56 66 76 89 124 145 165

  • Head - Available upon recruitment
  • Right Hand - Soul Eater (Permanent)
  • Left Hand - Available upon recruitment
  • Weapon - No Rune attached.

While the Soul Eater permanently takes up the Right hand slot, McDohl can effectively use another magic rune or ability enhancing runes. There are no other runes that he is singularly fitted to, but the open rune slots leave room for customization. His stats, are above average across the board so he is effective as either a mage build or as a melee fighter. His high affinity with Darkness and Water makes the Flowing Rune and Pale Gate Rune good choices for magic, or a Fury Rune, Killer Rune, or Double Strike Rune for melee.

Character Statistics
HP 806
*MP
LVL 1 9
LVL 2 8
LVL 3 5
LVL 4 3
LVL 99 ATK
EX 999 DEF
STR 203 PDF 187
SKL 227 MDF 184
MAG 213 SPD 169
EVA LUC 185

Equipment
Starting Equipment Recommended Equipment
Head *Same as the Suikoden I Save* Wind Hat
Body *Same as the Suikoden I Save* Master Garb
Hand
Foot
Other
Obento x6 Magic Ring
Guard Ring Skill Ring
Winged Boots Winged Boots

Tir can perform the following Unite Attacks:

Tir can't be part of any War Battle.

Richmond can't investigate Tir.

Tir cannot be a judge.

There is a glitch concerning Tir's name in Suikoden II when transferring data from a Suikoden I file. The game references Tir as McDohl in Suikoden II, and when transferred data is brought in, it only transfers capital letters and symbols from the save data and then uses it to replace a letter from the default name. So if you named him "Tir" in Suikoden I, he'll be called "TcDohl" in Suikoden II. If you named him "MASTER" in Suikoden I, he'll be called "MASTER" in Suikoden II.

Other AppearancesEdit

Suikoden IIEdit

Tir can be a playable character in Suikoden II if the player loads a Suikoden I save data on it. If the player loads a save file with the 108 Stars of Destiny recruited in Suikoden I, Gremio will also appear, if not, Ellie will take his place at the Banner Village events.

Aside from the bonuses gained when loading Suikoden I save files on Suikoden II, Tir (as simply "McDohl") will still be referencied and mentioned by other characters, even if the player didn't load Suikoden I save data.

For example, when talking to Lepant, he references Tir in his dialogue to Riou:

Lepant: "Hmmm... You are much like him. I may be the president of the Toran Republic, but there's a young man who should be sitting on this throne. He led tens of thousands of soldiers into battle and finally brought peace to our land. I see the same glimmer in your eyes that I did in his. You too represent the hopes and desires of all those who would follow you.

McDohl also has a memorial room in Gregminster Palace, with a replica of his staff and outfit, alongside with a stone bust with his likeness, to celebrate his heroic deeds.

Genso Suikogaiden Vol.2 Edit

Tir McDohl only appears if you load a Genso Suikogaiden Vol. 1 save which should contain a Suikoden II data loaded on it, which, at last, should contain a Suikoden save data loaded on it as well.

Tir, along with Kasumi, makes a brief appearance when Nash Latkje, Meg, and Millie were being teleported around at random by Viki's sneezes. Nash's group just observed from afar, as Meg protests for him to not interfere.

On the location, Tir was fishing when he got interrupted by Kasumi, and both started a lightweight talk, which leaded to Kasumi asking Tir if it's a heavy burden to live with the Soul Eater. Tir then proceeds to tell Kasumi about Ted, and how he got the rune. After that, he invites her for dinner, and both depart.

Nash asked the girls if they knew them, and Meg and Viki said yes, with Viki revealing that Kasumi has a huge crush on Tir.

Cameo Appearance Edit

TriviaEdit

  • Tir McDohl is tied with Riou and Lazlo En Kuldes as the most recurring Tenkai Stars in the series; all being present in 3 Suikoden games.
  • Equipping McDohl with a Silver Hat and Master's Garb in Suikoden at the final save point in Gregminster, and then transferring the save data to Suikoden II, will allow him to start with said equipment when you recruit him during the Banner Village sidequest.
  • In Suikoden II, if you bring a Former Member of the Liberation Army (Like Viki, Tai Ho, Clive, Viktor, etc) for the meeting with Tir at Banner Village, each one them will have something different to say, like shown in this video.
  • After you defeat the final boss the Beast Rune, you still get to walk around the world map. This includes recruiting Tir in your party.
  • Masamune, Piisuke, and Schtolteheim Reinbach IV are the names the player may choose to be his fake name in Suikoden.
  • In Suikoden III, if you choose Hugo, another teenager warrior, as the leader of your Army, Luc will state that Hugo's eyes and position reminds him of someone he once deposited his hopes on a long time ago. This dialog isn't present for Chris or Geddoe, meaning that he could be talking about Tir, or as well Riou.
  • In Suikoden V, Prince Freyjadour Falenas wore clothes similar to Tir's when he had the need to disguise himself.
  • Bring Tir to Tinto in Suikoden II. When Nanami & Riou decide to run away, he will be one of the two that join Riou's party. He will also "speak" his first words. As you run away, he will "speak" more. After the Beast Rune is defeated, he has a chance of speaking in the throne room.
  • Tir's starting money in Suikoden is 1000 bits.
  • Tir's name means:
    • In Old Persian, "Tir" means "an arrow."
    • In Hindi, Tir means "arrow or bolt".
    • In Proto-Dravidian, Tir means "turn, roll, twist, change shape"
    • In Welsh, Tir means "earth".
  • His name can be romanized into three:
    • Tyr of the norse mythology, which is a god of war. Like Ares (Greek mythology)
    • Tir or Tiur of Armenian mythology, which is the mercurial god of wisdom, culture, and science; messenger of the gods. He is identified as Apollo in Greek and Roman mythology, as well as he is related Hermes.
    • Tir could come from Old Iranian to refer to an astral deity.
  • In Suikoden II, if the player carries over Suikoden save data and gives Riou the same name they gave Tir, Gremio will mention that they have the same name.
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